Joslyn M1862 and M1864 Carbines

While US infantry forces during the Civil War had only limited access to the newest rifle technology, cavalry units adopted a wide variety of new carbines in significant numbers. Among these were a design by Benjamin Joslyn. It first appeared in 1855 designed to use paper cartridges, but by the time the US Army showed an interest Joslyn had updated the weapon to use brass rimfire ammunition. The first version purchased by the government was the 1862 pattern carbine, of which about a thousand were obtained. Many more were ordered, but it took Joslyn a couple years to really get his manufacturing facility and processes worked out. By the time he had this all straightened out, the design had been updated again to the 1864 pattern, addressing several minor problems with the earlier version. Ultimately more than 11,000 of the 1864 pattern carbines were purchased by the Union, chambered for the same .56-.52 cartridge as the Spencer carbines also in service.


Hi guys thanks for tuning in to another Video on Forgotten weapons comm I’m Ian I’m here today the Rock Island auction House checking out some of the guns they Have for sale in the upcoming June of 2015 regional auction what I want to Look at today are a pair of Jocelin Carbines These are breech loading single-shot Carbines from the u.s. Civil War era of Course the u.s. Civil War happened right About the same time that the Self-contained metallic cartridge was Developed and this led to a whole spree Of innovation of a lot of different Inventors trying to get military Contracts for the new technology new Breech loading rifles and carbines there Wasn’t a whole lot of development or Army acceptance of infantry rifles that Were breached loaders but there was a Lot of it with cavalry carbines there’s A whole slew of different versions of Cavalry carbines that were actually Purchased and used by the Union Army and Of course one of them is the Jocelyn now It’s interesting as a little side note Benjamin Jocelyn the inventor of these Guns was actually related to one of the Top executives at the Colt company at The time and well there doesn’t seem to Be a whole lot of interaction that he May have been able to make use of that Connection to help get himself a

Military contract now originally Benjamin Jocelyn had invented this as a Percussion rifle would have used a paper Cartridge and a percussion cap to fire And that was in the 1850s by 1862 he had Perfected a rimfire breech loader that Would be this front gun here it was very Simple gun it doesn’t have to be all That complicated it’s a single-shot Breech-loading carbine they kind of Impressed some of the union officers That were looking for guns The barrel is mounted very high in the Action it’s nice and easy to load the Guns are short and light you’re looking At like six and a half pounds for these So fairly handy guns and he got a Contract from the Union Army to make 1862 pattern Jocelin carbines these Chambered a proprietary 54 caliber Rimfire cartridge and the union actually Wanted a lot more of them than he was Able to successfully produce definitely Ran into some some production volume Issues and and some several of his last Contracts were for many thousands of Guns and they Largely unfulfilled he was only able to Deliver a small fraction of the number Ordered so that kind of put the army off A bit but Jocelyn was in the process of Improving the gun he made some changes That we’ll look at here in a moment but When he came up with the 1864 version he

Then went back to petition the army to Try and get a second chance to make Large contracts of guns they gave them The second chance and he was able to Make good on it he made several times as Many of these 1864 s and by the end of The war it was actually successfully Producing guns at a very pretty high Volume so in total Sixteen thousand five hundred of these Guns were made most of those but not all Of them went to the Union Army and pry 80 percent of the guns that were sold to The army were the 1864 version the later One I should also point out the later Gun also changed its chambering and Actually use fifty six fifty Spencer Ammunition are 56 52 Spencer makes sense You know the army had a lot of Spencer’s It’s stocked Spencer ammunition if You’re done to make single-shot carbine That basically the same size uses the Same size cartridge already you might as Well make it for standard ammo get the Army a little more interested in working With you so he did that one other last Interesting side note before we bring The camera back here and look at the Details of these is that the Springfield Armory US government Armory actually Bought 3,000 of the breech assemblies From Jocelyn and then built brand-new Infantry rifles using them right at the Tail end of the Civil War that is

Actually the first mass-produced Breech loader made by the Springfield Arsenal so it’s a for a long time those Were thought to be conversions until Information came out in the 70s actually Showing that they were in fact new Manufacture breech loading rifles from Springfield at any rate when I bring the Camera back let’s look at the details And the differences between the 1862 and The 1864 versions so the basic action of The Jocelyn is very simple we have a Breech block we have a hammer yeah I Have a little finger groove hook on the Breech block lift that up chamber a Cartridge close it fire like I said very Simple now there are some interesting Details here so for one thing we have a Kind of clever extractor system this Blade looking piece right here is Actually your extractor so you can see That it gets wider down here at the back What happens is in conjunction with this Angled surface right here when you put a Cartridge in this angled surface forces It to clip to seat all the way in the Chamber and then this blade hooks around The rim so when you open it as this Expanding area comes through the rim of The cartridge it pulls it backwards out Of the chamber extracting it and you can Pull it out or if you open this briskly I suspect it will toss the cartridge Completely out for you making it very

Easy to then drop another one in drop The block and repeat the firing pin here Is free-floating I’m sorry it’s Spring-loaded in 1862 and it is a Rimfire so the firing pin is up here at The top of the breech block some of These guns were later converted to Center fire in fact they were converted By Springfield and in that case they Typically filled in the rimfire firing Pin and replace the hole with a lower One now that’s the 1862 the 1864 uses The exact same basic idea except they Determined they’d kind of discovered That this this friction lock there’s a Little spring-loaded ball bearing detent System that snaps that into place that Wasn’t sturdy enough and it tended to Come open when people didn’t want it to So in 1864 model they replaced it with An actual spring-loaded catch so to open This one you have to pull this knurled Knob out and then lift up now it does Have a angled cut in the spring so you Can close it by just pushing it shot And it’ll snap into place then you have To mechanically pull this back to open It so you can see here they also Shrouded the firing pin so it’s less Likely to be accidentally bumped when You don’t actually want it to be fired The extractor remains the exact same Mechanism an idea those are really the Only two functional changes in the gun

On the 1862 guns the the maker’s Markings the the patent markings and the Serial number are on top of the breech Block right here they change that in 1864 we still have a serial number on Top but the actual patent markings this Is going to be hard for me to get on Camera Patent markings were moved to the back Surface of the breech block something Else interesting to note that may come Up for collectors is on the 1864 model The butt plate is marked us on the 1862 S it is not however these were in large Number used by the US military So just because they aren’t marked here Doesn’t mean that they weren’t used they Just didn’t happen to put that marking On them on the early guns so these of Course were all cavalry carbines they Had sling rings and bars on them there Was some field testing that was done of The 1864 model and it caught actually The right the car being got generally a Negative review in large part due Actually to some poor ammunition and Poor understanding of the guns they had Some Spencer ammunition at the time that Apparently wasn’t well made and didn’t Always fit well and occasionally Apparently would actually pop the breech Block open upon firing and that didn’t Make a real good impression on the union Officers testing them but frankly it

Seems like that’s the fault of the Ammunition and not the guns so Should you get one of these and want to Go out and shoot it 56 52 Spencer ammo Should fit just fine and should make This a really nice Pleasant shooter Thanks for watching guys hope you Enjoyed the video as always of course These two guns are both available from Rock Island for sale coming up at the End of June so if you take a look in the Description text below you’ll find links To the two different catalog pages for These guns one of them is in a lot with A second gun and one is a standalone Sale so you can check out the pictures The description and if you’re interested If you just can’t live without having These yourself or place a bid online and Best of luck to you Thanks for watching

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